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Ohio State vs. LSU

2 12 2007

Things fell out pretty much as expected:

National Championship: Ohio State vs. LSU
Sugar Bowl: Georgia vs. Hawaii
Orange Bowl: Virginia Tech vs. Kansas
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. West Virginia
Rose Bowl: Illinois vs. Southern Cal

I guess I’m a little surprised that the Orange went with Kansas instead of West Virginia, but perhaps the Fiesta didn’t want an all-Big 12 matchup.

I think this season has shown more than any other that a playoff is needed. Sports Illustrated Online had a headline up earlier today which read “Give LSU a shot.” Well what happens if LSU takes that shot and misses? Well, sorry Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and Georgia, LSU is the only team who is able to take that shot. Even if you ended up being the better team, tough. And of course, if LSU wins the championship, those teams won’t get their own shot at LSU.

The BCS doesn’t help itself by posting news stories which are written by people who sound like whiny children trying to defend something which they know is broken:

Now that the most compelling, entertaining and dramatic college football season in recent memory is drawing to a close, sportswriters and broadcasters are doing what they always do at this time of the year.

They’re crafting lies to convince you that major-college football is in disarray and in dire need of a playoff system to save itself.

Of course, it is ironic that this article was written before this weekend, and uses the basis that Missouri and West Virginia appeared to be a clear #1 and #2 to “prove” that the BCS works:

Right now the system has settled on MU and West Virginia. Those names are allegedly not big enough for some writers and broadcasters.

Oops. And of course, there is the usual “with a playoff, no one would care about the regular season!”:

Critics of college football won’t do that. The current, no-playoff system gives us great September and October story lines.

Of course, the problem with this is three-fold. The first is that in every sport with a playoff (i.e. every sport other than Division I-A college football), people still enjoy the regular season. Why? Because it still matters. You’re still playing to see who gets in the playoffs.

The argument for maximizing the meaning of the regular season, which is used to justify selecting two and only two teams to play for a championship, could just as easily be used to justify a system where no championship game is played at all. Heck, that’s the way to maximize the meaning of the season, isn’t it? Don’t even have a post season. Ohio State wins the title. Tough luck, LSU.

The second problem is that, ironically, in college football more than just about any other sport, the regular season gives you the least clear, most muddied picture of the landscape possible. In the NFL, for example, any given team plays 37.5% of the teams in the league. Not perfect, but at least it’s a third. Yet the NFL still puts 37.5% of the league into the playoffs, largely because, even with playing over a third of the league, you can’t necessarily declare the team with the best record champion, because they haven’t necessarily played everyone.

In college football it’s even worse. Any given team plays, at most, 10.8% of the teams, and that’s if you play a 12 game schedule, and a conference championship game, against 13 different I-A teams. No re-matches (as Missouri/Oklahoma and Virginia Tech/Boston College were) and no I-AA games (Appalachian State vs. Michigan anyone?). Most teams will play only 10% of I-A teams, and a good portion will play even a lower percentage than that.

Yet, we’re willing to select two - and only two - teams to play the championship. Teams who have played a combined 20% of Division I-A college football teams…maybe. In other words, 80% of all the teams in football have no direct say in who the national champion will be. So what’s this about the regular season being meaningful? In the current system, it is anything but meaningful. All 6 BCS Conference champions could go undefeated, and you’d still only have 2 teams who have played only 20% of all teams playing for the title. How is that even remotely fair or meaningful?

What if Division I-AA has this system? You’d probably have seen Northern Iowa vs. Montana in the championship game. It’s now the semifinals and both of those teams have been eliminated, and a third previously undefeated team, McNeese State, has lost as well. Tell Delaware, Southern Illinois, Appalachian State, and Richmond that they can’t have a chance at the national title because a team in another conference who they never even got a chance to play went undefeated against the few teams in the division that they actually play.

Third, having a playoff would eliminate the need for poll “corrections” like the ones we saw today - where all three polls felt compelled to “correct’ their rankings to make sure LSU got into the title.

What? Are you telling me that LSU really WASN’T the #7 team going into this past weekend? If not, why did you rank them there? If you never intended to put Georgia into the title game, why did you put them in a position where, if the impossible happened like it did on Saturday, they would be in line to play for the championship? If LSU was better than Georgia because they merely played in the conference title, why was LSU ranked below Georgia to start with? Or Why was Oklahoma ranked below them? Or Virginia Tech?

This is a matter of consistency for the polls, and to have the first 13 polls of the season be based on the previous poll with rewards and punishments for winning and losing, and then using the final poll as a do-over is dangerously close to scandalous in my opinion.

Do you really think that a 7-point win over a 4-loss Tennessee team who lead most of the game justifies jumping LSU 5 spots up? At least Oklahoma could theoretically argue for such a move since they convincingly defeated the #1 ranked team in the nation.

Meanwhile, Virginia Tech, who hasn’t lost to an unranked team all year and who avenged one of their losses convincingly Saturday, goes nowhere in the polls. How does this make sense other than people “deciding” that LSU was going to be #2 and that they were just going to “make it happen,” no matter how little sense it made given the current rankings.

Week after week, year after year, we hear people complaining how people vote in the polls, saying that you should vote for who you think the best team is, and not necessarily punish a team who loses but who clearly seems like the better team. Week after week, year after year, the voters ignore their own complaining and vote as they always have. That is until voting as they always have suddenly becomes inconvenient when they have a certain matchup for the championship in mind.

It would kind of like being an umpire in a baseball game who is calling balls and strikes a certain way and has called them in a consistent manner through a game. Then suddenly in the 9th inning they decide they want one of the two teams to win, but that team is trailing.  As a result they decide to change how they’re calling balls and strikes to try to ensure the team they want to win will win.

Sorry, if this is how you’ve been doing your rankings all season, it is disingenuous to suddenly decide to do a “do-over” because you put yourself into a position which would end with an undesirable result if you did your rankings like you always do.  Unfortunately there is little that anyone can do about it.

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  • Date : 2 December 2007
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3 responses to “Ohio State vs. LSU”

3 12 2007
SpikeT (11:25:50) :

Excellent commentary. The ‘correction’ we saw after Saturday’s games is disturbing. Voters have seen clearly now (and last year) that they can will a championship game match up if want it and that is dangerous, especially as the influence of media is considered. Regardless of a voter’s background (coach, former coach, former player, etc), most if not all are influenced by the media. If you hear ESPN commentators say week in and week out that a particular team is great, even if you’ve seen them a bit here and there and weren’t impressed, you’ll be swayed toward thinking that what you’ve seen was not the norm. LSU is a enormous example of this this season. They were lauded in the media from the beginning of the season as the team of the year. Their defense was dubbed as immovable. And despite their living on the razor’s edge, they were continually praised. Even when LSU’s astounding defense got progressively more and more suspect throughout the season, we didn’t hear significant criticism. Those who picked them at the beginning of the season (ESPN!!!) as the golden child continued to be impressed. Now to LSU’s credit, there is something to be said for finding a way to win, no matter the margin, and that’s especially true in the rough and tumble SEC. That being said, we really need to look in the mirror and ask some questions when we find ourselves impressed with a last minute win against a very, very mediocre Alabama team (see losses to Florida State and LA Monroe as proof of mediocrity), 2 overtime losses (yes, losses!), and a defense so ’stingy’ that lets an offense like Auburn’s drive straight down the field in the final 5 minutes of the game to take the lead…at home…at night…at a place called “Death Valley” where ‘nobody’ can be expected to win.

I never thought the BCS was perfect, but so long as 3 or 4 teams couldn’t play against each other at the same time, it was never going to be. It only allowed for 2 teams in its ‘playoff’ and so there would almost always be controversy. But I’ve now been won over the side that says it is deeply flawed and broken. When, at the end of the season, the previous week’s polls no longer matter, we’ve got a problem. I don’t pretend to know who are the best 2 teams this season, but I am certain of this: beating a #16 ranked team in an evenly matched game wouldn’t have launched #7 to #2 in any other week of the season unless 5 out of the 6 teams ahead of #7 were all defeated…and even then a loss might not drop them below #7 team moving up. It only did so this time because voters decided (or let it be dictated to them) long ago that LSU should be there. Many results — Sooners, Trojans, or Bulldogs — would’ve been fairer than LSU. (Even the Mountaineers, Hokies, Jayhawks, and Warriors have arguments that they could win a playoff.) And yet here we are with a broken system where prognosticators have more of a say than the players on the field. I have nothing against LSU except that they shouldn’t get to play for the national championship because they were the predetermined team. And just for the record, beating Ohio State will tell us nothing about their ability to beat Georgia, Oklahoma, or USC at this juncture in the season — they might win the BCS Championship game but that hardly makes them national champions in this season.

My enthusiasm for college football just took a hit. It was an amazing season like none other and sadly I’m left, like many, feeling like I got the short end of the stick. From now on I’m forced to understand and accept that this system, so influenced by the media, really is a beauty contest from start to finish designed to help media feel good about their own preseason predictions and biases. Silly me, I thought it was about football.

8 12 2007
Mathew Badeaux (19:33:25) :

Georgia Didn’t make it to the Championship in the SEC which LSU won and the SEC is the toughest conference in college football by a long shot. Probably every team in the SEC with the exception of Vanderbilt and Ole Miss would be in Hawaii’s position in that conference…..Va Tech was beat by 41 By LSU……..USC just isnt the USC of the past face it America…All teams that were knocked out of top spots were done so convincingly LSU is undefeated in regulation and has only been defeated in overtime nobody has convincingly BEAT the tigers LSU has the credentials for the game if you ask a lot of people they should be there before OHIO St. who only lost one game and has a Weak Scedule opinions may differ but as far as i can see the only teams that should be considered for the title game are LSU OHio St. and Oklahoma

8 12 2007
The Orange Man (22:48:45) :

I’m not necessarily arguing that LSU isn’t the 2nd best team in the nation. My main beef is that pollsters apparently decided this past weekend that they were, when the weekend before they had apparently decided that they weren’t that good.

If LSU really wasn’t the #7 and were really the #4 team in the nation before Missouri and West Virginia lost, then they should have been voted that way. To go “oops! Do over!” is disingenuous.

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